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By jobe04051993
#26131
DarkMahad87 wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:04 am
I thought this was a pretty rational debate, until for some reason, you felt it necessary to refer to other players as having the mentality of a victimized trash duelist just because they don't play pure builds. Or calling someone stupid for not agreeing with your strategy. I've expressed my opinions in this article about several things about your deck that I didn't agree with, but not once did I resort to trash talking you. In fact, I even told you that everything I said was not intended as malice, but merely to discuss the deck's strengths and weaknesses and maybe even share ideas on how to improve on it. Since you can't seem to respond in a civil way I'll leave this final reply to your response.

- 2 turn setup is not perfect at all. It's actually 1 turn too slow. I already mentioned this earlier, but meta decks are extremely consistent in getting their field set up in one turn to stop you from setting up yours in the next turn (if they're going first), or are capable of breaking your board even with disruption. I don't know how you can actually claim that a 2 turn set up isn't slow and that it can hold its own against the meta playing like this. Maybe this has worked for you, but if it did, I'm inclined to believe that either you played some very inexperienced players who didn't know how to play their decks, or you're exaggerating your victories. I honestly don't care at this point.
- Most decks that are Top tier aren't pure builds. Sometimes people will splash in an engine to suit their strategy, like sky strikers or trickstars. Even SPYRAL managed to see some play again when Magician's Souls came out, because the card had so much synergy with the deck, you would think that it was actually meant for SPYRALs rather than DM. So if anything, nobody is playing the victim for choosing to play hybrid builds. They're only playing to win.
-You keep hyping Dragon Knight, and the only thing going for it is that it is immune to card effects, and it protects back row. So what? This deck's back row is so lackluster, it doesn't matter if your opponent stops it or not. Reviving DM once per turn to banish a card is not enough interruption to make a significant impact to the opponent, so he's literally just a Dark Blue-Eyes immune to effects. That's not a solid win condition. And I've already said what I needed to say about Destined Rivals so not gonna bother repeating that.
- Why Dragoon? Because he can break boards and win games. The fact that he doesn't need back row set up to give any kind of protection already makes him better. Plus, he's not just a big 3K beatstick that just sits there. He's an omni-negate that gets stronger, and he can pop at least one monster and burn your opponent while still being able to attack afterward. Also, the fact that you're only argument against him is that he can be kaiju'd or negated or super poly'd while Dragon Knight is immune to all that is a bit hypocritical, if you ask me. You assume your opponent is more than capable of taking down Dragoon with ease, and think they have no out to Dragon Knight. Let's apply the same logic. What if they Kaiju your Dragon Knight? He's no longer on the field protecting your backrow, so they can now use cyclone or twin twisters to wipe out your Soul/Circle combo. Or even worse, they can respond to your activation of soul to bring him back, by activating Ghost Belle, DD Crow, or Called by the grave. These are cards that are more common nowadays thanks to Eldlich. So yeah, both fusions have their weaknesses, but clearly one is better than the other.

I know you're probably gonna respond and say something illogical to dispute everything I said, because who would have the audacity to say that your deck isn't the greatest deck of all time. Heck, you might even insult me and call me a trash duelist or something petty like that. But I won't take it personal, 'cause I stand by everything I said, and at the end of the day, you believe whatever you want to believe, even if you're the only one that does. Peace.
Wasnt trash talking you, was just saying in general about victimized players & how stupid IT IS to misplay a strategy, wasn't aimed at you or no one in particular. Im just saying its kind of ignorant to setup Dragoon first, knowing bombing first would be the dumbest mistake to make in the duel. What purpose is that? That dont make no sense. A lot of players can play around Dragoon even if it negates. Thats my entire point I was making.

And yes hybrid decks are pretty dumb. Splashable cards are debatable but in general, DM going to brick harder with hybrids because of Circles search effect mainly especially when you need access to more specifically listed cards. Thats why a lot of DM decks dont see play because of way too many hybrid cards crammed in especially cards that never belonged or related to the DM archetype. Victimized duelist always find ways to abuse hybrids because they aren't good duelist, in fact, players that abuse cards are the reason why Konami will never stop banning or take any cards off of a banlist because players are greedy and desperate to abuse cards because they arent good duelist and never has been. They're the main reason for the banlist existing and it wont ever go away until their victimized mentality of abuse go away. Thats what a victimized duelist is. It can be meta players or non meta players.

When you seen this deck list, there's not 1 card that can abused in this deck that is ban worthy but still good enough to mop the floor with meta. Thats the difference between a good duelist and abusable victimized "trash" duelist.

Back on topic anyway. I see the point you made and I dont disagree with it but you're not understanding the fact you can still lose with Dragoon summoned no matter what the circumstances are, so if your board gets took away, they're going to take advantage of Dragoon being a liability. Yeah Dragoon can stall and negate but what makes it so good to not be vulnerable to other cards can remove it or still attack it to destroy it? Trust players this year will be prepared for Dragoon and Dragoon players are going to lose in the locals & regionals unless they have a plan and if not, then they're screwed if they think bringing out Dragoon is just going to win them the duel.

Its not about agreeing with me, its more about realizing what your opponent is about to use or throw at you. I been in a lot of duels with meta decks that only seems to target the board so they can prepare to OTK you when they remove everything and or negate but thats why DMTDK and Eternal become really important because of your unbreakable board can be unaffected. Anyways I read the rest of your paragraphs, some stuff I do agree with and other things are just "what if" ramblings I could care less about. You make pretty great points but you still dont get it. Anyways still thanks for replying and checking the deck out! Very good debate!
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By NeoBabyDwagon
#26132
Well, first we need to think of hybrid decks in general, not only how those cards work in a DM deck. Next, well... I have read most of your posts and..you keep changing ideas - first you say Dark Magician Girl is trash in DM deck, the next deck you make Burning Magic your focus. Likewise, with this deck, before you claimed that you didn't need any fusions, because they dont help the deck... well now it seems that you have realised that they do help.
As for whether hybrid duelists are good or not is debatable, what is your definition of abusing cards?... from what you have talked about earlier i can guess it's special summoning multiple times in one turn or drawing out half your deck rigth? Well you see decks like Admanacipators in the meta, which you have admitted to having some trouble with before, therefore the cards they use and deck they used is indeed strong. To me it seems that you are just biased against these duelists because you don't like long turns and are prefer a more slow paced duel. Ban worthy cards ~ this is also biased, a lot of people dislike Dragoon. The reason why Konami ban cards, is to make ways for new strategies and adapt the banlist to the meta... if you even look at 2005 or 2006, when duels were slower, Konami still banned cards (maybe less cards, but the reason for that would be that there was a smaller card pool to ban from). Additionaly to my perspective it doesn't seem that you have dueled many strong duelists, since you haven't encountered many handtraps, and you always consider the duel situation in your advantage, what if your opponent had omni-negates first turn, and you didn't draw the cards you need for your combos (unlike in the Anime, you don't always get what you want).
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By jobe04051993
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NeoBabyDwagon wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:30 am
Well, first we need to think of hybrid decks in general, not only how those cards work in a DM deck. Next, well... I have read most of your posts and..you keep changing ideas - first you say Dark Magician Girl is trash in DM deck, the next deck you make Burning Magic your focus. Likewise, with this deck, before you claimed that you didn't need any fusions, because they dont help the deck... well now it seems that you have realised that they do help.
That was because of Timaeus. I said Timaeus is easily one of the worst duel cards in YGO history because you cannot search the card and yes I said DMG & Fusions slows down the DM decks in the past until I found away to make use of them. As meta changes per month and per year so does my DM deck ideas. I actually find DMG useful for draws, Burning Magic, & discarding/Fusion summons now. I can still win duels without Fusions in any DM deck but yes they were making things slow at first because Timaeus & Eternal Soul were not showing up at the same time when they are or were needed. So yes, yes I was. Timaeus is still trash. Why you think its not incorporated in this decklist.
NeoBabyDwagon wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:30 am
As for whether hybrid duelists are good or not is debatable, what is your definition of abusing cards?... from what you have talked about earlier i can guess it's special summoning multiple times in one turn or drawing out half your deck rigth? Well you see decks like Admanacipators in the meta, which you have admitted to having some trouble with before, therefore the cards they use and deck they used is indeed strong. To me it seems that you are just biased against these duelists because you don't like long turns and are prefer a more slow paced duel.
I done sat through super long SPYRALS and Adamancipators duels before. They do take a long time and spam too much, therefore I have beaten both of them with most DM decks built through out the months I created them. Yes, most metagame cards are abusable and can cause players a lot of problems if not stopped or prevented. Never had a problem with slow paced or fast paced, just players be wasting their time and wasting your time since losing is inevitable and they're desperately trying to setup a big board first turn is the main major sign of a weak victimized duelist, trying to prevent you from activating cards or demolishing their entire LPs by going through great lengths to take up about 200 seconds per turn to get off combos. In most tournaments, players would be disqualified for wasting that much time. Hurry up and get your turn finished with. Nobody didnt come to see you Link summon 20+ monsters in 1 turn that took up about your entire time limit. Time limits exist for a reason, in actual tournaments they would be banned for holding up a players time like that. So Im not wrong for hating it, its just pointless and really dumb to go through all of that for a win (and likely possibly still lose). Hand traps are pointless as well, Joyous & etc are just more hybrid junk that does nothing great. Yeah you stopped a card from being added to their hand, so what? Its means nothing especially when they can outplay that by spamming more cards so hand traps are dumb to have, its just false hope given to players by Conami. You could have a hand full of hand traps and still lose by discarding them all while your opponent already found a way to bypass or be unaffected by them. Thats why I dont play with any or not anymore to say the least. Say no to victimization and say no to the abused/abusable.
NeoBabyDwagon wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:30 am
Ban worthy cards ~ this is also biased, a lot of people dislike Dragoon. The reason why Konami ban cards, is to make ways for new strategies and adapt the banlist to the meta... if you even look at 2005 or 2006, when duels were slower, Konami still banned cards (maybe less cards, but the reason for that would be that there was a smaller card pool to ban from). Additionaly to my perspective it doesn't seem that you have dueled many strong duelists, since you haven't encountered many handtraps, and you always consider the duel situation in your advantage, what if your opponent had omni-negates first turn, and you didn't draw the cards you need for your combos (unlike in the Anime, you don't always get what you want).
Dragoon wont be banned nor is it abusable but its only abuse is through Red Eyes Fusion & Predaplant Verte. Only both Verte & Red Eyes might be limited or ban though because they're abusable and they're pretty much super easy access to bring out Dragoon. Plus I dont use those dumb hybrid cards because its corny & cheap. Another sign of a victimized trash duelist. I dueled a lot of strong duelist and overcame them. I just think its time wasting when meta players hop on the bandwagon to play meta decks to be assimilated like the rest of the players. Kind of lame and dumb. If you check the percentages of tournament deck users: OTHERS is 60%-80% which means a lot of players dont approve of Konamis metagame or their meta decks which is something I agree with. Nobody wants meta or really wants to be associated nor assimilated with it in tournament except major money spenders that are delusional or victimized about in the metagame. But I had not lost with this deck so Im happy with my undefeated streak. Anyways thanks!
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By NeoBabyDwagon
#26180
Time limit in Yugioh TCG events is 40 minutes unless otherwise specified by the tournament admin. Even using 2-3 handtraps may help, and something like Droll and Lock Bird stops your opponent from adding any cards to hand. Then, i assume you're definition of weak and victimised is someone who doesn't need to think and just copy the deck and combo's. Some people make their own unqiue (spam) combos (reffering to any deck, not just meta). And ye, i understand that you don't like the concept of people trying to stop you from playing yugioh (by negating everything and demolishing LP). Also, have you thought of hybrid cards in decks that don't really spam (Eld/Dogma). You're streak from all of your decks still seems dubious, but you can believe what you like (and verse me so that i can break your streak ;)).
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By NeoBabyDwagon
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Tommorow i am busy, i can play after tommorow. It would be easier to set a time with Discord - NeoBabyDragony#6483. My username is pretty much the same on Nexus so you can find me when you're on.
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By jobe04051993
#26185
Okay I'll be waiting after tomorrow. I dont have a Discord. Just find me on here. I be checking every 30 mins to a hour, hourly, so I wont be hard to miss.
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By jobe04051993
#26630
It got banned in OCG, not TCG. In TCG, its not OP. Only reason why its OP because OCGs Maxx C giving Dragoon draw power, in TCG we dont have Maxx C free from being banned so Dragoon wont be banned in TCG. I knew it would be banned in OCG because Japan got cards that would be banned in TCG that arent banned in OCG. So there's that. But in TCG, Red Eyes Fusion and Predaplant Verte should've got limited in the TCG banlist, which they still might after Konami studies how many times players in TCG are going to abuse both Verte and Red Eyes Fusion, most likely they're going to get limited and Dragoon wont get touched because its not OP enough. Without Maxx C and or any actual draw power, Dragoon is trash due to Forbidden Droplet being new meta.
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